More on Goldblatt on race and IQ
Mark Goldblatt of National Review Online replied courteously to my somewhat less than courteous treatment of his article “What is Racism.” Unfortunately, he only digs himself deeper into the standard, unsustainable denial that there are racial differences in intelligence, or, for that matter (he’s ambiguous on the point), biologically distinct races at all. Anyone interested in the debate on race and IQ may want to read his comments, followed by my point by point response to them. MG to LA: Thank you for your response—albeit dissenting—to my NRO column on the definition of racism. With all due respect, however, I think you have misread what I wrote; this may be my fault as much as yours. Word count is always a critical factor in writing a column, and I probably left out a lot of what was needed to make my points more clearly. I did not intend to write that race was a subjective state (ie., a “social construct”), or that there are no characteristics that are typically black or white or Asian. Someone who argues, let’s say, that black people tend, on average, to have darker skin than white people would be—I think we would both agree—perfectly justified. In fact, it would be relatively straightfoward to say that the darker the skin, on average, the higher the percentage of sub-Saharan ancestors … and certainly, there is a high, almost perfect, correlation between having sub-Saharan ancestors and thinking of yourself as black. (Tiger Woods is one of the few exceptions that comes to mind.) But intelligence isn’t like skin color in this respect. There is no data whatsoever to suggest that measurable intelligence correlates with genealogy; “purer” blacks, in other words, do not score measurably lower on IQ tests than blacks whose ancestors are more decidedly mixed. If blackness correlated on a biological level with lower IQ, shouldn’t that be the case? (This is the flaw of The Bell Curve ‘s conclusions on race incidentally.) It would be farfetched to suggest, I think we’d both agree, that “stubborness” or “competitiveness” were significantly determined by race—these are so obviously matters of nurture that even if we found a measurable correlation that followed racial lines, we’d still conclude that culture must play an overwhelmingly deteminative role in the correlation. Intelligence, it seems to me, falls somewhere between skin color (which is obviously genetic) and stubborness/competitiveness (which is obviously cultural). I think the vast majority of behavioral psychologists nowadays agree that nature and nurture both have roles in detemining intelligence. But if nature and nurture are both implicated in intelligence, how can it be that intelligence test results do seem to follow racial lines? That is a paradox that forces us back to the modern origins of the concept of race—which is what I was trying to argue in my column. Certainly, it is uncontroversial to note that the idea of three races is an entirely arbitrary paradigm; there could just as well be five or ten or twenty-five, and the boundaries are blurry whatever number we choose. Again, then, if intelligence is a function of nature and nurture, how do we explain the undeniable correlation between folks who check off “black” for race (regardless of how black they are) and check in with significantly lower IQs? Studies have long suggested that people who expect to do well on standardized tests do in fact do measurably better than people who don’t—it’s a snowballing phenomenon that begins with children’s first exposure to testing. Kids who do well the first time feel more confident the next, and vice versa. Now suppose you have one ill-defined category of children who are bombarded by the idea that society itself, the system and all its manifestations, is stacked against them. Standardized tests then become, in the child’s mind, a means of further oppression. Wouldn’t that explain blacks—even those from well-off households—doing worse on such tests? Even worse, wouldn’t it account for the sense of guilt and racial betrayal among black students (like the ones I encounter in my college classes) who do well in school—since they are, in effect, giving lie to the belief that society is stacked against them? These are students who have been ostracized for their achievements since early childhood. I remain convinced that blacks are killing themselves, literally and metaphorically, by perpetuating the idea that society is stacked against them—and that it is that mindset, rather than innate differences in intellectual, moral and spiritual potentials, that account for the various pathologies afflicting blacks. It’s late, and I’m not sure if I’m being as clear as I might be in the afternoon, but that was the point I was trying to make in my column.
Sincerely, Dear Mr. Goldblatt: Thank you for your thoughtful reply and your attempt to clarify your position. However, with all due respect, you seem to be unfamiliar with some of the most basic facts and arguments in the race and IQ issue. For example, it’s hard to know how to respond when you write:
But intelligence isn’t like skin color in this respect. There is no data whatsoever to suggest that measurable intelligence correlates with genealogy; “purer” blacks, in other words, do not score measurably lower on IQ tests than blacks whose ancestors are more decidedly mixed. If blackness correlated on a biological level with lower IQ, shouldn’t that be the case?You seem not to be aware that African blacks have lower IQs than American blacks—by some measures, much lower. According to the world’s top expert on comparative international IQ studies, Richard Lynn of the University of Ulster, African blacks have an average IQ of 70, while American blacks, with a substantial Caucasian inheritance, have an average IQ of 85. This certainly fits the idea that the greater the Negroid portion of a group’s genetic inheritance, the lower their average IQ. Next you write:
I think the vast majority of behavioral psychologists nowadays agree that nature and nurture both have roles in detemining intelligence. But if nature and nurture are both implicated in intelligence, how can it be that intelligence test results do seem to follow racial lines?… Again, then, if intelligence is a function of nature and nurture, how do we explain the undeniable correlation between folks who check off “black” for race (regardless of how black they are) and check in with significantly lower IQs?I don’t mean any disrespect, but you seem really confused here. After conceding that genetic inheritance and nurture both determine intelligence, you’re surprised that intelligence tests follow racial lines! Obviously, if both race and nurture correlate with IQ, then race by itself correlates with IQ. That’s not a “paradox,” as you call it, but simple logic. Then you go on to the point that since the exact number of races varies according to different classifications, therefore the very idea of different races is arbitrary. You write:
Certainly, it is uncontroversial to note that the idea of three races is an entirely arbitrary paradigm; there could just as well be five or ten or twenty-five, and the boundaries are blurry whatever number we choose.But you’ve already conceded that virtually everyone with any discernible sub-Saharan ancestry identifies himself as black. So there is clearly an objective determinant in blackness. Some black people will have much more Negroid ancestry, some will have much less. But they will all have Negroid ancestry and the black population as a whole will obviously have a very very large percentage of Negroid ancestry, especially compared to non-black groups which will have none or virtually none. The “blurry” lines do not change the fact that there are distinct racial groups. To think otherwise would be like saying that because some dogs are a mixture of German shepherd and collie, therefore there is no such thing as a German shepherd or a collie. Next you resort to the hackneyed “cultural expectations” argument:
Studies have long suggested that people who expect to do well on standardized tests do in fact do measurably better than people who don’t—it’s a snowballing phenomenon that begins with children’s first exposure to testing.Let me give you an example from the testing literature that will put this argument to rest. On intelligence tests, blacks do virtually as well as whites in reciting a list of numbers from memory. However, they do much worse than whites when the test calls for them to recite a list of numbers backwards. Now, according to your reasoning, blacks should perform worse on ALL intelligence tests because of their low expectations of themselves. But in fact they perform virtually as well as whites on a simple test, but much worse than whites on a more demanding test. The obvious explanation is a difference of ability, not low expectations. To salvage your low-expectations argument, you’d have to suppose that blacks have normal expectations of themselves in the forward-counting test, but that they suddenly get low expectations of themselves when it comes to the backward-counting test. Furthermore, it’s not just standardized tests that blacks perform worse on, it’s all areas of life requiring verbal and logical abilities. (But you’ll probably resort to the low-expectations argument in that case too, not seeing the obvious answer, which is that their low expectations, if that’s what they are, reflect their objectively lower abilities.) Next you refer to the culture of anti-intellectualism among blacks:
Even worse, wouldn’t it account for the sense of guilt and racial betrayal among black students (like the ones I encounter in my college classes) who do well in school—since they are, in effect, giving lie to the belief that society is stacked against them? These are students who have been ostracized for their achievements since early childhood.Mr. Goldblatt, doesn’t it occur to you that maybe, just maybe, one of the factors in the black anti-intellectualism (not the only factor, but a significant factor) is that blacks really are relatively weak in that department and know it? After all, people generally like doing the things they’re naturally good at, and don’t like doing the things they’re not good at. Isn’t that a more reasonable explanation for black anti-intellectualism than your tortured explanation? I’m not saying that your brighter black students are not genuinely bright. I’m saying that there’s always going to be a tendency for bright blacks to be looked at askance by other blacks, because intellectuality does not fit with the black culture. And it does not fit with the black culture because average black intelligence is significantly lower than that of other groups. This is not a new phenomenon. Genuine intellect (and the individuality that comes with it) is often a burden for a black because of the generally anti-intellectual attitudes of other blacks. Look at the way Ralph Ellison, author of the great novel Invisible Man, was torn down and diminished by other blacks because he insisted on speaking as an individual, not as a black. Consider the horrible way the organized black community in this country treats any black person who fails to follow the racial party line. Having said all that, let me make it clear that of course blacks could do much better than they are currently doing. A great reduction in illegitimacy, improvement of cultural attitudes, greater discipline and so on would be very beneficial and could raise their academic performance and social behavior from the current abyssmal level. But two caveats. First, while improvement is certainly possible, it would be silly to expect absolute parity in every area, given substantial IQ differences. Second, a return to higher standards would require an acceptance of inequality, since the higher the standards, the greater the inequality of outcome. The higher standards that you and I both desire did once exist in this country—and they were destroyed in part by the liberal demand for racial equality of outcomes which delegitimized the white majority culture that had embodied and enforced those standards for everyone, white and black alike. So, paradoxically (and to leave you with a thought that will probably convince you I’m a complete extremist), one of the things that must be done to achieve higher standards for blacks is to drop the belief in absolute racial equality of abilities and the demand for absolute racial equality of outcomes, both of which have dragged down our culture and our intellectual and moral standards, and particularly the culture and standards of blacks themselves. Once again, thanks for writing.
Sincerely,
For those who want to follow this exchange further, I heard back from Mr. Goldblatt who said the following: Dear Larry Auster: Thanks again for writing. You’re quite right; I am not up to date on the latest race/IQ literature—remember, I was only attempting to draw a distinction in my essay between real racism and rhetorical racism. I’d never heard of Richard Lynn, and having done a quick read of some online material, his results do seem to contradict what I wrote. However—and this is just on the basis of a cursory reading—there seem some obvious circularities in Lynn’s logic. The most obvious is his attribution of the poverty of nations to low IQ’s of the population (a result that seems to jibe in some cases and doesn’t in others). It seems equally as likely to me to argue that poverty creates conditions that contribute to low IQ—malnutrition being the first that comes to mind. Again, though, for argument’s sake, let’s suppose that Lynn is right—that, on a grand scale, nature overrides nurture in determining intelligence. How can it be that India’s national IQ checks in lower that the number you provide for African Americans (81 versus 85) given that Indians are classified as white in the three race paradigm? If you’re arguing that nurture accounts for that difference, why wouldn’t it also account for the low IQ’s of African blacks? Regarding your collie/German shepherd metaphor, you’re missing the point of what I wrote. In your canine example, one category of dog called collies existed; one category called German shepherd existed; they existed as wholly distinct breeds for ages and ages and then were subsequently interbred, and produced a mixed breed. Of course, that does not affect the reality of either the pre-existing collie breed or GS breed. What happened in classifying races is not that one category of people called Negroids existed, one called Caucasoids and one called Mongoloids, and then at some moment began interbreeding. Rather, what happened is that as the single entity known as the human race evolved, it spread out geographically, and then, in the 19th century, a group of intellectuals from Europe came along and began dividing its members into three arbitrarily delineated races. That arbitrariness, indeed, is the reason I call the fact that IQ differentials follow racial lines “paradoxical.” You wouldn’t expect arbitrary classifications to produce regular differentials—yet, as you point out, and as I concede, they do. So either you’ve got to argue that the divisions made in the 19th century were not arbitrary and correspond with definite genetic divisions—of the collie/GS type—or else you’ve got to say that other factors than race are significantly impacting group IQs. Now I grant, and do so readily, that I don’t have the expertise to debate the genetics with you, but I suspect you’d find 99.9 percent of the professional geneticists worldwide who would scoff at the idea that there are three and only three genetically meaningful races. That doesn’t mean you’re wrong by the way. But it means you’ve got a lot of highly trained people lined up against you, and you’d better have a good case—far better than just saying that geneticists want to parrot the party line. (which, after all, is what Afrocentrists argue when defending their ludicrous theories). Anyway, I have enjoyed our exchange and found it thought-provoking. The fact that I am unconvinced may be that I am emotionally predisposed to think, as I wrote, that the intellectual, moral and spiritual capacities of individuals are not limited by the geographic origins of their distant ancestors … and thus doubts based on counter arguments have to scale an especially high threshold in this case.
—MG
Comments
At this point, I think Mr. Auster has demonstrated beyond any doubt that he is the one who has the racial axe to grind. Exposing the logical blunders of an NRO writer might be good sport, but there is more than sport driving Mr. Auster’s relentless zeal in pursuit of racial issues. So Blacks, taken aggregated as Blacks, have a lower average IQ than Whites, and the blacker the Blacks, the lower the average IQ. Very good. We can group people by race, by religion, by region, by vocation, and by virtually any criteria you can name, and some groups will come out with lower average IQs. But averages, of course, are meaningless apart from other things. The average of 2 and 22 is 12, as is the average of 11 and 13: the distribution is more significant than the mean. The distribution of something like racial intelligence quotients is easily skewed by things like abortion, infant mortality, and death rates due to war and disease. Students of Western intellectual history, for instance, will recognize that a disproportionate number of great thinkers, composers, and writers suffered from frail and precarious health — the kind of men who would not survive adolescence in many a “third world” society. Furthermore, a certain amount of disparity between races will, in fact, be explained by culture, by malnutrition, and by other non-genetic factors. The remaining disparity in averages that can be honestly attributed to racial, genetic, or biological factors (not easily isolated in the first place) is liklely to be more characteristic of smaller units (e.g., families or tribes) within the group, is liklely to be fluid across the generations, and is still an “average” without a distribution. Anyway, Mr. Auster begs the question: What should be done with this information, exactly? Is Black intelligence permanently and uniformly inferior? Is Black culture permanently and uniformly anti-intellectual? To what extent should individual Blacks be treated, in private life and public policy, as members of a race with low average intelligence? To what extent should races with high average intelligence avoid intermarriage with races with lower average intelligence? To what extent should American immigration and social policy restrict members of races with low average intelligence? Where does intelligence rank on the scale of desirable social goods? Are there other kinds of intelligence than is measured by IQ tests, and if so, how are they significant? With these complexities in mind, it would seem that racial intelligence disparities — however one chooses to define race — are little more than fodder for a new game of Trivial Pursuit. And formulating any kind of public policy based on these aggregated differences strikes me as both foolish and unjust. Posted by: Jeff Culbreath on August 8, 2002 1:35 AMI found it interesting that Mark Goldblatt should ultimately defend his views on the basis that he is “emotionally predisposed to think … that the intellectual, moral and spiritual capacities of individuals are not limited by the geographic origins of their ancestors.” At the core of liberalism is a belief that an individual should be created by his own will and reason, rather than by factors outside of individual control such as race and sex. Hence Mark Goldblatt’s concern with the apparent correlation between race and IQ which directly challenges the liberal ideal.
There are intrusive public policies that presume that all racial differences in outcome reflect unjust treatment of racial minorities. Does Mr. Culbreath believe that the question of innate differences in average intelligence has no legitimate bearing on such policies? Posted by: Jim Kalb on August 8, 2002 7:12 AMWell … there are racial differences, and then there are “innate” racial differences. I’m not at all convinced that IQ differences are “innate” in racial groupings — and even if they were, these specific groupings are not “innate” to the human race. Therefore, the problem remains of what to do with the kind of information Mr. Auster presents in a practical way. I recall reading not long ago that the president of Singapore had some theory about the inferior intelligence of Catholic populations. Because the brightest Catholic young men are sent off to be priests, and because Catholic priests are celibate and do not contribute to the gene pool, he argues that Catholic populations are “dumbed down” and of inferior average intelligence. (Interestingly, Singapore’s own Catholic population is predominantly Eurasian — of mixed European and Chinese descent — and largely keeps to itself.) If true, would this lower average intelligence be “innate” to Roman Catholics? Racial differences do, of course, have legitimate bearing on instrusive government and corporate policies, but only because these policies are obsessed with measuring such differences in order to eradicate them. Whether they really exist, or are really innate, is not the issue. The real question concerns the contexts in which racial classifications are useful or helpful (say, bone marrow trasnplants), and the contexts in which racial classifications are destructive (such as apartheid or affirmative action). We’re on the same side here. Let’s get rid of affirmative action, and let’s get rid of “antiracism” as an ideology. In fact, Mr. Goldblatt comes to the same policy conclusions. But Mr. Auster, who has written wistfully of the “racial hierarchy” that would return in the absence of such programs, seems to want more. Posted by: Jeff Culbreath on August 8, 2002 12:22 PMAs a practical matter, “innate” means “stubborn, not to managed out of existence by government interventions.” In responding to the modern egalitarian state I think it’s necessary to make the point that it won’t succeed in its goals. “Innateness” is therefore important. As to hierarchies, if there are differences in average abilities between racial groups, and race correlates with other consequences of long life in common, like culture, then it seems to me that an end to interventionist government would mean (i) there will be evident differences between racial groups in average attainments, (ii) some particular cultural standards will become the ones that people rely on in public life, and (iii) those standards will be very heavily influenced by the ones found among the largest and most successful racial group (if there is one). In other words, you will end up with a situation that antiracists would refer to as racial hierarchy—some will be more at the top, some more at the bottom, and in public life some will find it easier to fit in than others. Posted by: Jim Kalb on August 8, 2002 3:58 PMMr. Culbreath writes: “We’re on the same side here. Let’s get rid of affirmative action, and let’s get rid of ‘antiracism’ as an ideology. In fact, Mr. Goldblatt comes to the same policy conclusions. But Mr. Auster, who has written wistfully of the ‘racial hierarchy’ that would return in the absence of such programs, seems to want more.” Mr. Culbreath’s assumption is that the neoconservatives and (what shall I call us?) the NON-neoconservatives are on the same side on racial issues, against both affirmative action and the ideology of antiracism. This is quite incorrect. It is true that neoconservatives oppose (or make a show of opposing) affirmative action. But they oppose it not just because they think it’s unjust and socially divisive, but because they think it stands in the way of the attainment of true racial equality. Most neoconservatives who write on these subjects continue to insist that blacks’ and Hispanics’ innate abilities are the same as those of whites and Asians, and that it is only affirmative action—or rather the entire system of having easier standards for minorities—that is responsible for the actual racial inequalities. Give everyone the same standards, say the neocons, and all groups will soon be performing at the same level. Thus the bottom-line for the neocons is still the liberal dream of actual, substantive human equality among all groups. (The significance of this will be made clear in a moment.) Second, the neocons are most decidedly not against antiracism as an ideology. Consider Mark Goldblatt’s article that I initially linked. Mr. Goldblatt writes that REAL racism is to believe that some racial groups (or, as he would have it, groups of common geographical descent) have lower innate abilities than others. In other words, he believes that that there are no instrinsic racial differences in civilizational abilities, and, furthermore, if you believe there are such differences, then you are a racist. As a result of these beliefs, the neocons can never allow the real reason for continued racial inequality of outcomes to be stated openly. Let’s say that they succeeded somehow in getting rid of affirmative action, with the expectation that this would lead to racial equality. But when, despite some improvements, the elimination of AA and double racial standards fails to lead to complete racial equality, what can the neocons say? They have already forbidden—as “racist”—any mention of the REAL cause of the continued racial inequality, which is the inherent racial differences in ability. Therefore they will have no basis on which stand against the renewed demands of liberals for various intrusive social programs to raise the level of minorities. The point is that the ONLY way to discredit the racial-engineering agenda of modern society is to refute the false premise on which it is based—the egalitarian fiction that the races all have the same inherent abilities. “Mr. Culbreath’s assumption is that the neoconservatives and (what shall I call us?) the NON-neoconservatives are on the same side on racial issues, against both affirmative action and the ideology of antiracism.” Actually, I don’t pay much attention to who is a neocon and who isn’t. But most mainstream conservatives are against using racism as the standard explanation for group differences. “This is quite incorrect. It is true that neoconservatives oppose (or make a show of opposing) affirmative action. But they oppose it not just because they think it’s unjust and socially divisive, but because they think it stands in the way of the attainment of true racial equality.” Then they are just as mixed up as you are. Neither racial equality, nor racial inequality, have any intrinsic merit. “Most neoconservatives who write on these subjects continue to insist that blacks’ and Hispanics’ innate abilities are the same as those of whites and Asians …” Really? I must not get out much, for I have never heard this nonsense except from liberals. OTOH, it is true that most conservatives remain skeptical of claims that differences in average intelligence or achievment between racial groups must reflect their “innate” abilities. As long as members of the group exist, or potentially exist, that deviate significantly from the average, there is nothing “innate” in the group preventing this. (To Mr. Kalb: My Webster’s offers the following definitions for “innate”: 1) existing in, belonging to, or determined by factors present in an individual from birth; 2) belonging to the essential nature of something. It follows that attaching “innate” to an aggregated number of individuals, however classified, is not the best use of the term.) “… and that it is only affirmative action—or rather the entire system of having easier standards for minorities—that is responsible for the actual racial inequalities. Give everyone the same standards, say the neocons, and all groups will soon be performing at the same level.” Once again, I seldom hear this except from liberals. “Second, the neocons are most decidedly not against antiracism as an ideology. Consider Mark Goldblatt’s article that I initially linked. Mr. Goldblatt writes that REAL racism is to believe that some racial groups (or, as he would have it, groups of common geographical descent) have lower innate abilities than others. In other words, he believes that that there are no instrinsic racial differences in civilizational abilities, and, furthermore, if you believe there are such differences, then you are a racist.” Now this gets interesting. Remove the words “innate” and “intrinsic”, and I think we might be close to agreement. But somehow I think “innate” and “intrinsic” are essential to your own ideology of racial determinism. “As a result of these beliefs, the neocons can never allow the real reason for continued racial inequality of outcomes to be stated openly.” Then such people can’t get past thinking about race in the standard Marxian way: power, class, and inequality. The same seems to be true of the racialists on the Right. “The point is that the ONLY way to discredit the racial-engineering agenda of modern society is to refute the false premise on which it is based—the egalitarian fiction that the races all have the same inherent abilities.” No, that is not the only way: in fact, that is capitulation to liberal categories and Marxist language. The only legitimate way to discredit the racial engineering agenda of the Left is with the Catholic truth about God and man. Here is the best discussion of the subject I have seen thus far: http://www.catholictradition.org/cfn-race1.htm http://www.catholictradition.org/cfn-race1.htm Posted by: Jeff Culbreath on August 8, 2002 6:29 PMA question for Mr. Auster: Does such a thing as racism exist, in your opinion? If so, how would you define it? And is it a good thing or a bad thing? The article linked above proposes a Catholic definition that should help move the conversation forward: “According to the Dictionary of Moral Theology: Do you agree with this? Posted by: Jeff Culbreath on August 8, 2002 6:41 PMBy mistake, I posted the same link twice in a previous post. The second article is found here: http://www.catholictradition.org/cfn-race2.htm Posted by: Jeff Culbreath on August 8, 2002 6:47 PMIt’s been suggested to me before by more than one person that it’s not worth replying to Mr. Culbreath. While I resisted that thought, his latest batch of comments tends to confirm it. His woeful misconstrual of the basic issues, his arrows-flying-in-every-direction comments, and his continuing suggestion of bad faith or bad motives on my part (which nothing I can say is going to alleviate, since that seems to be his main reason for posting), when all added together, make it a waste of time and energy to try to converse with him. Posted by: Lawrence Auster on August 8, 2002 7:35 PMIn other words, addressing my comments directly, and in public, would take Mr. Auster away from his comfort zone. Yet I would think that even his allies might like to know if he agrees with the definition of racism just presented. I don’t purport to speak for Mr. Auster, but I think the definition of “racism” you cite is nonsense. I would bet that few reasonable, right-thinking people take the position that race (or whatever you want to call it) all by itself is the primary determinant of man’s worth. From a Catholic point of view, such a belief clearly would be sinful. But that is not to say that race isn’t important, or that it hasn’t played a significant role (NOTE: not THE essential role) in the development of civilization. On some level race is important. People care about race much as they care about their family and their community, though to a lesser degree. How else does one explain the multitude of racial conflicts in the world? The solution to this strife is not to pretend that race doesn’t exist or that it is unimportant — which would be to deny reality — but to put race in its proper place in the hierarchy of values. Incidentally, I’m always amused by the Catholics (and other Christians) who are obsessed with notions of race and with attacking those they consider “racist” (invariably white people, because as we all know non-whites can NEVER be racist). I can’t help but feel that their secret solution to the problems of “race” is to encourage the world’s racial groups to intermarry, thereby gradually erasing all difference and eliminating “racism”. I chuckle at this, because both the Old and New Testaments, as well as the Catechism itself, support the concept of nation (i.e., a grouping of people who share common origins, history, language, etc.). Multiculturalism carries with it no imperative to intermarry. On the contrary, to undo the wonderful diversity of races that God created seems to me to be, well, positively un-Christian. Posted by: William on August 8, 2002 8:35 PMI am not particuarly fond of the word ‘racism’ because of the modern confusion of meanings that surrounds it. But I think it makes sense to view race and culture, in an extended and dilluted sense, as within the same geneology as family. To the extent racism means that someone is just mean-spirited and lacking in Christian charity it is obviously wrong. To the extent it implies that it is wrong for someone to have pride in and a sense of loyalty to his particular family, race, culture, and station I think it is upside-down. This is true of any particular attribute in the geneology of types that make us up as actual, concrete individuals, though. It is categorically wrong to be mean-spirited and lacking in Christian charity toward other families, races, cultures, or whatever simply in virtue of the fact that it is categorically wrong to be mean-spirited and lacking in Christian charity in general. This becomes confused as the transition is made from more specific types to more general types because liberalism has declared stereotyping in general anathema. But the reality is, when you take most stereotypes home to meet your family, most of them are not like that. Of all the stereotypes out there, a few mean spirited and uncharitable ones tend to cast a pall over all the others, when really, most stereotypes are good things taken in themselves. I suppose I should have said “taxonomy” rather than “geneology” above. I’d hate to be accused of mixing my congenitals with other species. Well said. Your words echo what Steve Sailer [ http://www.isteve.com ] has been saying about the meaning of race. His definition of “race” is as follows: “Racial groups are extended families that are inbred to some degree.” Posted by: William on August 9, 2002 7:59 AMLawrence, I presume you are a professing Christian. But how do you reconcile your assertion that there is an inherent/inate IQ difference between races with a an all-powerful God who would purposely create one of his creature strains with lower reasoning and cognitive abilities? Any observer can see the differences in achivement between blacks and just about everyone else, in the area of financial wealth creation, self-government and cultural achivement, but is this a function of genetics or of a deficient black culture? Does genetics predispose blacks to celebrating and nurturing a decadent culture, or does the reality of decadent culture merely imply a genetic predisposition to illegitimacy and general malaise? This is a very interesting debate and I only wish leftwingers could approach the topic objectively, shedding their presuppositions about conservatives and race. Posted by: Jeff Brewer on August 9, 2002 11:24 AMThanks to Jeff Brewer for the excellent, and difficult, question. In one sense, the question he asks is no different from the question why any human imperfection exists in a world created by God. Even within one race, many people are born with deficient inherited characteristics. And all kinds of terrible inherited diseases also exist in this world created by God. How can those things be justified in terms of Christianity, any more than inherited group differences in intelligence? One answer, as Augustine puts it, is that perfect being only resides in God, and that created beings only partake partially of God’s being and attributes. See Books XI and XII of The City of God. Another answer is that when we’re walking with God, we do sometimes have the grace of seeing people, all people, in their individual and in their group characteristics, in the light of their true and perfect being as God meant them to be. This is a glimpse, in the here and now, of our true nature and destiny beyond the here and now. But these intimations of spiritual perfection must not be mistaken for what actually exists and what is actually possible within ordinary human and political reality. That is the mistake utopians—which includes a large number of modern Westerners—make. They catch a glimpse of perfection, and then imagine that the actual, day to day world can and must be like that. So they overturn the existing world with its imperfect but substantial goods and end up creating a hell on earth. Posted by: Lawrence Auster on August 9, 2002 12:20 PMIn the next week or two, I plan to post a long, previously unpublished draft on racial differences in intelligence which will explain the evolution of my views on this subject. Posted by: Lawrence Auster on August 9, 2002 12:53 PMI thought I might venture an answer to Mr. Brewer’s question which, as Mr. Auster implies, is really just a restatement of the classic problem of evil. Voltaire famously ridiculed the notion that the world he lived in was the best of all possible worlds. What he failed to realize is that it in fact was the best of all possible worlds _for Voltaire himself_. No other possible world contained Voltaire as the exact particular concrete person he was, and his categorical condemnation of that world reflects a lack of gratitude and a positive desire for his own annihilation. The same relativity principle applies to everyone universally. In no other world do I exist; therefore this is the best of all possible worlds for me. Change history by a nit and I am wiped out of existence. The butterfly effect guarantees it; God might create someone with my name and appearance, but that would not be the concrete and actual me as I actually am. Change the history of the sexual acts of my parents by a microsecond and I do not exist; change any significant historical occurrence prior to our births and none of us exist. Anything horrible about the world and its history is intrinsically something horrible about me — and just me, not God. This is my original sin and my need for redemption. The fact that God allows the abominations of the world to exist blasphemously at His feet can only be due to his profound love for me as a particular person. I am not possible as myself without these abominations: they are written into the fabric of my being as conditions for my very possibility. The lament that God allows people who are unequal in some respects to exist at all is profoundly silly and lacking in gratitude. Even the baby in the dumpster is given his existence, and subsequent eternal paradise. To indict God for allowing the injustices of this world is to ask God for personal annihilation. Was that helpful? Well said. Sounds convincing, not to mention eloquently stated, to me. Posted by: William on August 19, 2002 2:37 PMRegarding Jeff Brewer’s question on how we can reconcile the existence of innate racial differences in intelligence with the existence of God, a correspondent wrote to me: “He thinks God ought to believe in equality. Why should He?” This seems a simpler and more direct reply to Mr. Brewer’s query than my own earlier comment. It is worth pointing this out because it shows how, without thinking about it, I (and Mr. Brewer) accepted the liberal premise that any natural inequality between human groups is the equivalent of being born with some “terrible inherited disease”—and how could God allow that? In other words, we equated the existence of natural inequality with the existence of evil, which is a different question. Christians should not have a problem with natural human inequalities, since they believe in a spiritual order that transcends such differences. It is secular liberals who are terrified by the prospect of natural inequalities because, not believing in anything higher than man, they believe that, if there are any natural differences of inferiority or superiority between men, such differences are absolute, and therefore must lead to some men enslaving or murdering others. Excellent, and very much to the point. It isn’t just Christians, or theists for that matter, who ought to have a problem with the treatment of inequality as injustice that should be remedied in the here-and-now. Even an atheist should be able to see, based on straightforward evaluation of the facts and a simple thought experiment, that a cry for justice-as-equality is a cry for the annihilation of all actual humans who exist. Suppose a strong-atheistic secular humanist were suddenly given complete omnipotent power in order to right all wrongs. He now has the ability to correct all injustice: to remake the world from the beginning so that it is perfectly just under his own definition and sense of justice. This sense of justice requires equality for all, so our actual world is completely annihilated and replaced with a new one that properly meets his sense of justice**. The net result of an omnipotent insistence on liberal justice is the annihilation of actual humanity; and in fact the more temporal power that liberalism receives, the more actual humans are annihilated. The history of the twentieth century (and the ongoing butchery of children right now) demonstrates this clearly. It shouldn’t take a theist to see something troubling here. ** In actual fact there is no such conceivable possible world at all, so the liberal cry for justice-as-equality is, as I mentioned before, to ask God to annihilate us all (including all of our previous history). |