it looks like sullivan left the Church already, but he is just now finding it out.

by his mere mention of guitar masses in his first sentence, was enough to clue-in that he is probably clue-less. and sure enough, he goes on to prove just how clue-less he really is.

i feel very sorry for him, he was almost surely never given the opportunity to know the hidden depth of our Lord’s Church, and now he is rejecting what he has never known.

Sullivan thinks that someone who refrains from engaging in sex acts is less than human. There is no small irony in the fact that sodomites have to dehumanize (and even deny the very existence of) some of the most holy people — celibate clergy, nazirites, and even chaste singles — in order to sustain a world view in which sodomy is objectively good rather than objectively evil.

I agree with Sullivan that the civil law ought to be more consistent with the moral law in general though, including making divorce and contraception far more difficult than they are now.

Posted by: Matt on August 3, 2003 05:55 PM
“I agree with Sullivan that the civil law ought to be more consistent with the moral law in general though, including making divorce and contraception far more difficult than they are now.”

contraception, especially the abortificients, should be illegal without question, but i wonder about divorce.

where does prudence come into play? is making divorce far more difficult to obtain sufficient? or is it to much? st. thomas prudentially allowed for prostitution, what else falls into this category? any thoughts?

Again I request Abby to change her dummy e-mail address to a non hostile message. When I receive the e-mail containing her comments, they enter my Inbox looking like this:

dont bother@get lost.com

This is not pleasant. This is like someone walking up to you on the street with a t-shirt that says, “Get lost, stay away from me.” In order to have a dummy address, all that’s needed is the information that it’s a dummy address. For example, Matt’s dummy address is simply:

bad@address.dontsendhere

He makes the point, without putting out any hostile vibes. How about it, Abby?

(Speaking from a non-working address myself) The hostility is probably directed mostly at spammers who have bots that search webpages for addresses to spam.

As for Sullivan, I don’t understand how his program of social engineering in the gay community is conservative exactly. Marriage as a social pattern between men and women in the West has existed for thousands of years. The laws regarding it are a recognition of biological fact. There is nothing similar in the male homosexual community. Legalization of homosexual marriage would be a frightfully uneven yoke for society.

Abby: “more difficult than now” leaves a great deal of room for prudential judgement, it seems to me.

sorry, i didn’t realize anyone was reading the email address.

Posted by: Matt on August 3, 2003 07:49 PM
“more difficult than now leaves a great deal of room for prudential judgement, it seems to me.”

i agree

i’ve been wondering on where to draw the line prudentialy on various issues such as sodomy, and your comment lead me to think you might have some thoughts.

Sullivan has never been a serious Catholic, but he gets his jollies from faking it nonetheless. He’s pro-choice, thinks Pius XII acted improperly during the Holocaust, and is completely out of step on virtually all issues concerning marriage and the family. And now he’s considering leaving the Church?

I’m with abby — Sullivan left the Church long ago. I’m beginning to think the only reason he stayed was to condemn basic Catholic teachings from the inside.

To Mr. Courrege,

Exactly. Just like those Republicans whose sole function is to criticize the Republican party for being reactionary on abortion and other issues.

To Abby,

Thanks for making that change. Yes, all comments are sent to me as e-mails, so the address you use is what displays in my Inbox.

Correspondent to LA:

One would wish Andrew Sullivan would weep as much for the loss of 14TH Amendment rights for whites and Asians in the astounding U.M. case as he would about gay marriage. Sullivan writes as recklessly as he lives; being a heavy user of the a testosterone drug, I wonder how much it alters his moods, and renders his prose purple ?

LA to Correspondent:

I think it’s central to his being. He had an article in the Sunday Times magazine a couple of years ago talking about it. The only way the Times can celebrate masculinity is if it’s that of a homosexual man whose masculinity comes from a drug. In other words, a totally constructed masculinity which is a parody of the normal kind.

The hormone is what has created him in this new stage of his career. He’s over-full of himself, over-pleased with himself, has tremendous energy. The combination of the fake energy coming from the hormone with his celebration of his gayness adds up to something one could write a novel about. In fact, someone has written a novel about it: Thomas Mann’s Dr. Faustus, about a composer who makes a deal with the Devil in which he sells his soul in exchange for enhanced states of being that help improve his music. I think that’s where Sullivan is now. He’s in an enhanced state, the world is at his door, yet the whole thing is driven by artificial means and centered on his rebellion against the order of being.

I’ve never quite understood why some ‘conservatives’ are enfatuated [sic?] with Andrew Sullivan and Christopher Hitchens. They don’t have a similar approach to people who are to their right. The paleos are nuts and racists, but people on the left are the “loyal opposition.”

Andrew Sullivan seems very confused to me. I guess he would be an example of one of those “Cafeteria Catholics”. I used to ask myself Does He even know what the RCC teaches about homosexuality? I guess he can become an Episcopalian now considering their recent events.

I think its better to leave rather then be a hypocrite. I dont agree with Catholic teachings—Purgatory, Marian doctrines, Eucharist so I left.

Why was he so shocked by this document? Its the one thing the Vatican has released this year I actually agree with. He acts like this came out of thin air.

Of course, he must act shocked. It’s part of the song and dance act by which he has pretended to be a Catholic in some kind of loyal if tortured relationship with the Church, in order to give himself the authority to keep on attacking the Church. The act would seem to be played out now, and Sullivan will probably be going the way of Arianna Huffington—from fake conservative complaining about conservatism to open liberal.