The perfect answer to the “outsourcing” charge
Krauthammer has a right-on reply (I was about to call it brilliant, but the word is sadly overused today and has lost its luster) to Kerry’s charge that the attack on Tora Bora was “outsourced”:
Outsourced? The entire Afghan War was outsourced. How does Kerry think we won it? How did Mazar-e Sharif, Kabul and Kandahar fall? Stormed by thousands of American GIs? They fell to the “warlords” we had enlisted, supported and directed. It was their militias that overran the Taliban.I’m embarrassed that I didn’t think of this extremely apt answer myself when I heard Kerry repeatedly claim “outsourcing” during the debates. More to the point, I’m appalled that Bush didn’t think of it and say it, or at least say something. Kerry cried “outsourcing” in each of the three debates, and never a peep came back from Bush explaining the battle of Tora Bora and how it fit into the Afghanistan war as a whole. Krauthammer gives Bush high praise—and it’s entirely deserved—for that campaign. But if Bush was so smart and courageous in ordering and organizing the attack on Afghanistan, and he was, then why is he so dumb and passive in the face of Kerry’s cheap charges against that superb achievement? What is it with this guy?
But getting back to Kerry’s false “outsourcing” charge: When Bush has the U.S. depend heavily on allies, as in Afghanistan, Kerry attacks him for that. When Bush has the U.S. do most of the fighting itself, as in Iraq, Kerry attacks him for that. Nothing could better illustrate the sheer reactiveness and nothingness of this man. He is not a leader, he’s not even an adult. He is a snooty college student eternally finding fault with his parents. Comments
GWB is very difficult individual to figure out. I am always tempted to compare him to “Chance” the gardener from the wonderful Peter Sellers movie “Being There”. But I’m not being fair to Chance….just kidding there:) Bush seems to be an individual who lacks a healthy intergration of all his cognitive functions. Being an alcoholic for most of his adult life; until a religious conversion changed his ways, plays a big part in why this individual seems at times so…..strange, if that is what you could call his behavior, or lack of ability. In the end, to be honest, like Mr.Auster, I just don’t get GWB. Posted by: j.hagan on October 29, 2004 3:14 AMThat’s not all Kerry is. He is messianic leader to literally millions of suspossedly intelligent people worldwide. His lack of charisma and general unlikeability contractdict the typical profile of a cult leader like Jim Jones, or David Koresh. But like those cult leaders who use group rejection as a tool to control, Kerry uses stereotypes, fantastical stories and flights of fancy to stimulate the only link his followers have in common, their irrational hatred of President Bush. A a human being, he is generally despictable and specifically odious. But though I don’t think he actually hates Bush, I think he, like a weasel, will nip where he can and strike in any fashion possible to satisfy his crack-like craving for the presidency. Posted by: andrew2 on October 29, 2004 8:54 AMThere’s a world of difference between relying on NATO allies and corrupt, drug-exporting warlords. This is especially true when it comes to capturing the man responsible for 9/11. Krauthammer’s quip is cleverness devoid of intelligence. Posted by: Derek Copold on October 29, 2004 10:23 AMMr. Auster writes: “Bush was so smart and courageous in ordering and organizing the attack on Afghanistan, and he was, then why is he so dumb and passive in the face of Kerry’s cheap charges against that superb achievement? What is it with this guy?” A more important question is why Bushies performance in Iraq, post ‘Mission Accomplished” propaganda stunt, is so inferior to their performance in Afganistan? We have consider results as team performance, I don’t believe Bush contributions extend beyound general orders fit on a single sheet of paper. A few ideas that may account for such tremendous performance drop: 1. Campaigns objectives are different: Crashing AlQuada and Taliban in Afganistan, Establishing shining beacon of Democracy in Iraq 2. More political room for Afganistan campaign 3. Different people are at the heart of campaigns (this is related to point 1): traditional conservatives (more or less) Rumsfeldt and Cheney in Afganistan, neocons in charge for Iraq. As relates to #3 above, all during 2002 I have seen many times the noted neocon-pundits ruminating about Rummy and Cheney neglect of Afganistan and the need to ‘rebuild/democratize/stabilize’ it. Kristal and Krauthammer were most active. So when campaign finally started Wolfi and the gang had initiative. 4. This is a pure speculation on my part: US knows Afganistan much better than Iraq and it shows. CIA was very active in Afganistan from 1980 thru 1989 and still kept institutional memory of the land. Derek Copold writes: “There’s a world of difference between relying on NATO allies and corrupt, drug-exporting warlords. This is especially true when it comes to capturing the man responsible for 9/11.” I’m not so sure about some of the Nato “allies”. But be that as it may, “$married up” Kerry has never articulated the difference. In fact he talks about all allies, not only Nato’s, when he talks about Iraq. He explicitly includes such morally upright unwavering friends like Egypt and Jordan. I’m sure there’s a world of difference between relying on Egypt and Jordan and corrupt, drug-exporting warlords. Posted by: Mik on October 29, 2004 11:06 AMHe doesn’t need to articulate the difference. It should be obvious to anyone with an IQ above room temperature. And, yes, there is still a world of difference between even Egypt and Jordan and the corrupt group of drug-pushers we used at Tora Bora. Posted by: Derek Copold on October 29, 2004 11:09 AMDerek Copold wrote: “He (Kerry) doesn’t need to articulate the difference. It should be obvious to anyone with an IQ above room temperature. And, yes, there is still a world of difference between even Egypt and Jordan and the corrupt group of drug-pushers we used at Tora Bora.” Copold doesn’t tell what kind of ‘a world of difference between even Egypt and Jordan and the corrupt group of drug-pushers’ there is. As far as I can see, when there is a battle, an Afgan warlord rides on horse with Kalashnikov in his hands in front of his troops. When there is a battle, a Jordan king rides Rolls-Roice in Paris with a blond call-girl in his hands. It is a world of difference. Here what John FlipFlop Kerry said on 12/14/2001 about war conduct: “But for the moment, what we are doing, I think, is having its impact and it is the best way to protect our troops and sort of minimalize the proximity, if you will. I think we have been doing this pretty effectively and we should continue to do it that way.” As all people with average IQ remember clearly, every hour all TV networks were showing Afgans in dirty shirts riding shiny new Russian-made US-bought tanks, horses and donkies chasing Talibs. Perhaps people with 3 and 4 digit IQ don’t watch TV and did not know that the campaign was heavily “outsourced” from the day one. Well, Kerry new from intel reports he was getting and he was happy with the arrangement. Some facts are just to difficult for high IQ people.
“Copold doesn’t tell what kind of ‘a world of difference between even Egypt and Jordan and the corrupt group of drug-pushers’ there is.” Jiminy H. Tapdancing Cricket. Are you for f****** real? “As all people with average IQ remember clearly, every hour all TV networks were showing Afgans in dirty shirts riding shiny new Russian-made US-bought tanks, horses and donkies chasing Talibs.” It’s one thing to Mohammedan thugs for cannon fodder. It’s another thing to use them to capture a high-priority target like OBL. This is especially so since many of them had unclear sympathies. Try using a little discrimination when making these broad assertions. Posted by: Derek Copold on October 29, 2004 2:29 PMOn a different note, if it turns out that bin Laden died in Afghanistan, as Mark Steyn suggests, then this charge is rather pointless. Sure, and maybe the Great Pumpkin will come and drop OBL’s bones on the White House lawn on Halloween night. Posted by: Derek Copold on October 29, 2004 4:16 PMAccording to journalist Richard Miniter, Bin Laden is hiding in Iran, in the city of Najmabad. Posted by: Eugene Girin on October 29, 2004 4:38 PMMichael Jose writes: “if it turns out that bin Laden died in Afghanistan, as Mark Steyn suggests, then this charge is rather pointless.” It is obvious that that charge is a pure opportunistic political charge. Afgan campaign was prosecuted as close to ideal as realistically possible. Most likely decision on troop composition was made by Franks. Lets say Franks used tenths of thousand of US troops and captured or killed OBL. There is a good chance OBL body would not have been found. There is a chance that, say, 200 or 300 more US troops were killed in 1 week. Don’t you think that Kedwards would be demagoging unnecessary losses of US life? As a perfect retroactive military genius Kerry would have proclaimed that he would have used Afgans to capture OBL and spare American lifes. Posted by: Mik on October 29, 2004 5:15 PMI’ve heard three different explanations of what happened at Tora Bora and I don’t know which one to believe. If Kerry says he knows what happened, I’m a little bit skeptical. 1. The Northern Alliance said Eastern Shura commander Hazrat Ali (the warlord in charge at Tora Bora) took a cash bribe to let Osama ride his horse through Shura lines into Pakistan. 2. Taliban Online and Azzam.com said Osama was never there. Al Qaeda played tapes of his voice on his satellite phone as mis-direction to allow him to slip into Pakistan unnoticed. 3. British filmmaker Richard Stanley, who shot the documentary “Voice of the Moon” with Hazrat Ali’s forces in the battle of Jalalabad in 1989, says, “Hazrat Ali is a complete incompetent who doesn’t know which end of a mountain is up.” Posted by: Ken Hechtman on October 29, 2004 5:54 PMThe “outsourcing” line is so removed from reality that it is difficult to really answer. For that matter, it is arguably incorrect even to see Afghanistan as “our” war at all. The Taliban and its Arab guests had simply failed to crush their native Afghan opponents; we finally gave the latter arms and massive air support, and they were beaten. Had an active opposition force not already been in the field, the story in Afghanistan would have been very different. Posted by: Alan Levine on October 29, 2004 7:17 PMWell OBL lives……. Posted by: j.hagan on October 29, 2004 8:11 PMJust when I opened my big mouth about the possibility that he had died…. Posted by: Michael Jose on October 29, 2004 9:10 PMThanks to Mr. Levine for reminding us of a basic distinction that may have slipped out of focus. There was already a war in Afghanistan. We lent spectacularly effective assistance to one side. Nothing like that happened in Iraq, of course. Posted by: Lawrence Auster on October 30, 2004 12:05 AMKerry the critic of outsourcing. I recently heard a lady interviewed on C-SPAN, who heads a conservative activist group in Leftist bastion Madison, WI. She received a phone call of a recorded message by John Kerry during the Democratic primaries. It even had phone tree options to indicate a yes or no vote for Kerry. She saved the caller ID info. The call originated from Ontario. Posted by: Joel LeFevre on October 30, 2004 6:57 AM |