A reader sees where the paleocons’ biological reductionism and tribalism lead
(Note: it turns out that the contributing editor/writer at Alternative Right who wrote the article advocating suicide is a homosexual Satanist go-go dancer who’s written a book called “Androphilia.” See discussion below. It’s time to repeat Chestertons’s remark that when people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing, they’ll believe in anything.) A reader writes:
I can’t believe this, but Alternative Right has published an article endorsing suicide.LA replies:
Look at the masthead of Alternative Right, with those dark, looming, ominous trees. That has always struck me as a symbol of the pre-Christian darkness, the forests of pagan Germany, to which Richard Spencer wants to return Western man. James P. writes:
You would think Alternative Right would oppose suicide. Isn’t the hegemonic Leftist culture suicidal enough already? Between mass immigration and low fertility rates, the West hardly needs any help dying.Robert C. writes:
I stopped reading Jack Donovan, the author of Alt-Right’s article on suicide, once I found this out:LA writes:
Donovan makes a point with which, though I realize it is not in accord with Christianity, I confess I feel some sympathy, speaking of the “honorable” suicide for those who “loathe the idea of growing decrepit and dependent on the charity of others.” (This is not a worked-out position I have, and I am not advocating it, so please don’t anybody start a debate with me on it, I’m just saying it’s a view with which I can feel some sympathy.) But he goes way, way beyond that, advocating that people kill themselves in their prime so that they never have to be older than their prime, advocating that they kill themselves when they’re depressed, and so on. There is nothing honorable about his view of life; it is bleakly nihilistic and sounds like something coming out of Sweden. He seems to have zero notion of any spiritual truth that can lift us beyond our physical and emotional troubles. His view comes down to a worship of materiality and will: the moment your life becomes unsatisfactory, or even before it becomes unsatisfactory, off yourself.Gintas writes:
The incongruity of Jack Dononvan is typical of what is going on at Alt Right. While we reactionary traditionalists are misfits in the Liberal Regime, I don’t think the men at AltRight would fit even in the better days of the West. I don’t know that they really are, at heart, men of the West. I suspect we could get them to admit grudgingly they’d prefer the unhappiness they’d find in the West’s glory days, but they’re not missing the glory days of the West.Sage McLaughlin writes:
I agree with your interpretation of Alt Right’s Black Forest iconography. I don’t know what Spencer’s response to the suggestion might be, but whatever the case, it seems to me that you can’t revive pre-Christian Europe without reviving paganism—if you can in fact “revive” a way of life that’s been non-existent for over a thousand years, which I doubt. And whatever biological reductionism is, it is not paganism. Paganism, especially of the kind that existed in pre-Christian Europe, is utterly incompatible with a materialist view of nature practically by definition. So if that is in truth what Alt Right’s site design is meant to suggest (again, I don’t know one way or another), then it’s a weird and incoherent picture.James P. writes: A suicide-loving Satanist homosexual is a contributing editor to the magazine of “radical traditionalism”! (I see the radical part—the traditionalism, not so much. Or at least, it’s no tradition that I care to associate with.) Will Mangan concede that you were correct to describe Alt-Right as a cesspool and moral swamp? Or will he demand that you leave the country, as your loyalties are clearly incompatible with the all-American traditions of suicide, Satanism, and sodomy?LA replies:
Your three-item list of American traditions, as seen at Alt-Right, is as good as Churchill’s list of the supposed traditions of the British Navy: “rum, sodomy, and the lash.”Robert C. writes:
I must say it does seem strange that Richard Spencer chose this man to embody and teach on masculinity. Even if his written work is interesting, it is really hard to overcome the fact that he is a rather flamboyant homosexual with a background in the Church of Satan or a male go-go dancer. It just seems really revolting on a gut, visceral level.LA replies:
I don’t know, but Richard Spencer’s use of the term “traditionalism,” even “radical traditionalism,” to describe Alternative Right is so way off it’s ridiculous. It’s dishonest. It’s a way of attracting conservatives under false pretences.Patrick H. writes:
Imagine Mangan’s (and Spencer’s) chagrin! They’ve been publishing (or defending the publisher of) a gay Satanist go-go dancer! Who’s written a book called “Androphilia”! And another book “Blood Brotherhood and other Rites of Male Alliance”! Androphilia? Well, no kidding! “Male Alliance? I’ll say!Alan Levine writes:
I second Sage McLaughlin on the incompatibility of biological reductionism and paganism. Not only was the latter pre-scientific (or should I say pre-pseudo scientific?), it was compatible with “open” tribes that readily assimilated conquered peoples and vice versa. The Germanic tribes that invaded the Roman empire and became the “stamme” of the modern German nation were recently formed confederations of smaller groups that rarely dated before the second or third centuries A.D. and were usually assimilated by the conquered (incidentally giving up their paganism) very rapidly. Posted by Lawrence Auster at June 22, 2010 11:14 AM | Send Email entry |