Is it wrong to say, “It’s their country now”?
Bill Carpenter writes:
Your recent saying, repeated frequently since the election, “It’s their country now,” is strong rhetorical medicine, but I don’t think we should confuse rhetoric with reality. “They” have usurped the government and many, many institutions, and much of the culture (meaning the beliefs and practices of the people) as well. That places the burden on “us” to expel them and retake the country, its governments, its institutions, and its culture. We thus dispute ownership; we don’t concede it’s “their country” now. It will only be their country if we yield to their occupation. We have a God-given duty to take back what was given to us, as every invaded, occupied, outraged people has.LA replies:
Since the autumn of 2011, I have ceased believing, even as a last-ditch hope, that we have the means, whether within the law or without the law, to “expel them and retake the country.” So your objection to my mantra, “It’s their country now,” stems from a substantive disagreement about what is now possible in the real world.LA writes: A correspondent tells me that it’s discouraging to our side for me to say, “It’s their country now.” Let us be clear that acknowledging the reality of the liberal transformation and domination of America does not mean that there is nothing for conservatives to do but give up. The liberal regime is not resting from extending its evil power over us, and we cannot and must not stop resisting its ever-continuing encroachments. Some battles may be won. But calling for continuing resistance to the liberal regime is not the same as saying that it is within our power to topple the liberal regime.Bill Carpenter writes: Thanks for your reply. I was not including you among the conservatives who have accepted the New Deal. I have found your reiterated objection to the Incorporation Doctrine enlightening, a complement to my own realization in law school regarding the “hypertrophy” of the Commerce Clause. I was thinking primarily of the practical political consensus that leaves the unconstitutional New Deal (and Progressive Era) edifice untouched to maximize votes. That is now untenable and unpatriotic. Thank you for your great work.The correspondent LA replied to earlier writes: But we do it because we love the country and still believe it is our country. Saying it’s their country is the way they look at it too, especially after this last election—women, minorities, immigrants, gays, young people, etc. Some are calling it a New America. Why make them crow even more by admitting to such defeat?LA replies:
Because I think it’s true.December 5 Laura Wood writes: I know Mr. Carpenter speaks from loyalty and patriotism, but I think such optimism easily becomes complicity. If all parents had felt the same way about our public school system — that we should not give up on it and it could be reformed if only we came up with the right rhetoric to convince others of how bad it is —- the homeschooling movement would never have been launched. Homeschooling is a great example of what traditionalists can do when they give up. There are other ways we can create alternatives with the hope of eventual political independence. The recognition that our family courts are corrupt and will never be adequately reformed, is already inspiring a grass roots marriage movement that rejects civil marriage licenses. We must seek an alternative authority over marriage. We must pursue every possible way to evade and defy the corruption of the liberal state and to separate from it. That project is the basis for substantive and realistic hope.Thomas Bertonneau writes: Permit me to come to the defense of my old friend and graduate-school buddy Bill Carpenter, whose clearsightedness is dear to me. The essence of Bill’s remark is the old Christian counsel against despair. Bill’s urgency that conservatives not succumb to the demoralization of a defeated people is fully motivated and conservatives ought to heed it.LA replies:
I say again that questions of “despair” versus “hope,” “pessimism” versus “optimism,” are a confusing distraction from the factual issue that we must face. The factual issue is: has the liberal-leftist revolution now achieved effective rule over America, a rule which conservatives have no realistic prospect of reversing within the present political, social, and racial order of the United States? I believe the answer is yes. Others believe the answer is no. But that is the issue, not the question whether we are “despairing” or “hopeful.”Thomas Bertonneau replies: I regret having to disagree with you. The factual issue, as you put it, and what I call the “demorale” issue, can be separated for the purpose of analysis, but existentially they cannot be separated. The factual situation tempts us to despair (every one of us has felt this), but despair we must not. No restoration of order on traditional lines in any form whatever will be possible without the attitude that Bill’s remarks express.LA replies:
I have repeatedly shown my rejection of despair and indicated the general direction in which I think we need to move. So I have addressed both the factual issue and, as much as possible at this point in time, the demoralization issue.Thomas Bertonneau writes:
The argument that you attribute to me does not describe my reasoning and does not lie behind it. Nowhere in my remarks did I say that conservatives should ignore the factual situation; never would I say that and never do I do it. I wrote that the essence of Bill Carpenter’s remarks was the Christian counsel against despair, not the Christian counsel against noticing the factual situation—there is no such Christian counsel. (There is no such Stoic counsel and no such Platonic counsel; there might be a liberal one.) [LA replies: I stand corrected. However, I must note that I did not exactly attribute that position to you; I said that it seemed to me that it was your implied position.]Whatever conservatives undertake in response to the factual situation, they will need to avoid despair because despair is debilitating and can become paralytic. Bill is absolutely right to remark that in the aftermath of the election, the gloomy factual situation tempts conservatives to despair. I am right to second him.Bill Carpenter writes:
You are like Nietzsche’s madman in Section 125 of The Gay Science. He comes to a city, announces in the market place that God is dead, and the people dismiss him. He walks away, shaking his head: “Is it possible, they do not know that God is dead?” You shake your head in wonderment and say, “Could it be these people do not know our old America is dead?” [LA notes: Any pedants out there may relax. For legitimate dramatic purposes, Mr. Carpenter has taken the liberty of conflating two closely related scenes from The Gay Science and Thus Spoke Zarathustra.]Kathlene M. writes: My husband was very depressed for about a week after the election. I was depressed for a day, then felt an odd peace, much like what Catholic blogger Elizabeth Scalia wrote around that time. Posted by Lawrence Auster at December 04, 2012 07:19 PM | Send Email entry |